Supernatural: No Exit

[superbadgirl]

Ugh.

Thank goodness I'm brunette.

I don't even know where to begin. I spent half the episode wondering if anything was ever going to happen, and the other half wishing it would just be over already and looking for that non-existent exit.

This is probably hard to believe, but I'm not opposed to the idea of having recurring characters. If the right ones had been involved here, I might not have thought this episode was as dreadful as it was. Alas, the wrong new characters are pretty much all TPTB have given us this year.

Really, having someone in the kind of peril Jo was in should have evoked some kind of reaction, shouldn't it have? It didn't in me, though whoever wrote this made sure to hammer home that Dean was frantic to find the chick. I didn't pick up any shippy vibes (though I've no doubt that's what Jo and Dean were supposed to be giving off). If anything, it was more annoyance on Dean's part...and then his frantic search seemed more like he felt responsible for the green hunter who'd suckered him into letting her tag along. Ugh.

All Jo All Episode wasn't as terrible as it could have been, but NOTHING about this show was an acceptable reason to backseat Sam. And the same would be true if Sam had had a more active role and Dean was sent out for coffee or to "check the south side of the building." Watching one brother with some other person (especially one with whom he shares no chemistry) while the other pops in now and again is not why I watch this show. I get that they have a tough shooting schedule and they get tired. I really do. I can even feel bad for them, but damn - I work two jobs and really don't enjoy either; they're tolerable and they pay the bills, but I don't wake up excited to go do them. At least JA and JP love their exhausting job. (<--lol, different rant. I'll shut up.)

Please, boys, use that laptop I saw you puttering around on with the information Ash pulled together for you. You did it before. You can do it again. Did I say please? PLEASE. Stop using Ash as your go-to guy. Amazing how I could be annoyed by that guy when he didn't even make an actual appearance.

There were a couple of nice Dean moments. I would just prefer he have those moments with his brother and not Ms. Chippy.

I'd say the final ghostie showdown was anticlimactic, but that would imply there was suspense before the lame ending.

Ellen. WTF? So, Ms. Chuckles-Good-To-See-John-Winchester's-Boys-Come-On-In-I-Loves-You suddenly has issues with them and John. Okay, we knew she had issues with John, but it really makes no sense to me that she's all kind and helpful...except, really, she doesn't trust them farther than she can throw them. And if she wanted her daughter to avoid them, she should have told Ms. Chippy the truth. It's not their fault that she didn't, and it's not their fault her beloved husband got killed on a hunt with John. How does she know he screwed up and that's how hubby got dead? Maybe hubby screwed up all on his own. AND...if the only reason she maintains the bar is because her husband was a hunter, but she doesn't want her daughter in the life, why, why, why hasn't she ever, y'know, shut the fucking place down and got a different job? I mean, really. The. Roadhouse. Makes. No. Sense.

LOL, listen to me rant. These issues have been cumulating, so it's not just this episode that's making me fly off the handle.

It wasn't all bad, though. I found an emory board and had ample time to make my nails look great during the parts I found uninteresting. Which was most of the hour.

Comments

[jdsampson.livejournal.com]

Hallelujah sister - come preach to the choir! I don't understand the people who LOVED this episode. Even though maybe they had a good reason (like surgery) for Jared to be missing for half of it. . I don't care.

And the whole Ellen 180 - I said the same thing before I read your blog. It's like an idea they came up with after they'd filmed the first few episodes! GRRR

[superbadgirl]

I don't get it either. I read partway through one squee-filled review and almost threw up a little. It's like they're watching a different show.

I wasn't fighting against Ellen so much until tonight. Now? She can go away. Soon.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

I agree completely. Too little Sam, and far, far too little interaction between the brothers. Even one moment of "Jo" or Ellen either one is far too much.

I don't watch Supernatural for an hour of Hunter Barbie and her sidekick Dean, but for Sam and Dean together. I hope to never see Jo again, or Ellen, or Ash, for that matter, although I doubt we'll be that lucky.

[superbadgirl]

Yeah, I feel like a tool for throwing a hissy fit about the lack of brother scenes. There was a good reason for JP's screen time, but I don't care. I don't get my boys together? I'm bored and I pout.

I still can't figure out why Dean was so frantic to dig Jo out. JA didn't sell the motivation behind that, to me.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I don't feel bad at all for complaining at the lack of screentime for JP. Sure, he had a good reason for not having been there so much, but it seemed as if they went out of their way to distance him from Dean even when he was on the screen with JA. Good lord, the literal "back seat" he took in the car, sitting with Jailbait Jo while Queen Ellen sat in the front, irked me to no end. Sure, that allowed her to shut of Dean's music--but it burned me up to see Dean bowing to her. That's not Dean, especially not where his car is concerned. It wasn't *his* fault that Jailbait Jo decided to act like the spoiled brat she is and follow them on the hunt. And she is supposedly over 18 (even if she acts and looks much younger); his not having told Mommy Dearest where her little precious was, with the little brat in his face at the time begging him not to, could be understood. They didn't invite her on the hunt. Dean did everything he could to keep the little monster out of trouble. They saved her, inspite of her own incompetence. She brought every bit of it on herself--and yet Dean took the blame.

Even something like their having had Hunter Barbie on the phone with Sam and telling Dean where Sam was and what he was doing (while Dean was stuck with the brat on the search) was a *bad call.* How much would it have taken for us just to hear Dean's side of the conversation while *he* talked to his brother. But, no, Hunter Barbie had to get between the guys.

Honestly, Dean being frantic to dig the brat out just reminded me of how he was with the kid in that first season show where people were drowning--she had gotten in trouble due to acting like a child, and he was reacting to a kid in trouble. There is certainly no romantic vibe between them.

[superbadgirl]

Honestly, I don't feel bad at all for complaining at the lack of screentime for JP. Sure, he had a good reason for not having been there so much, but it seemed as if they went out of their way to distance him from Dean even when he was on the screen with JA.

Good point. Limited availability means they should use that availability in the most effective way possible, and having Sam run out for coffee is not effective.

Good lord, the literal "back seat" he took in the car, sitting with Jailbait Jo while Queen Ellen sat in the front, irked me to no end.

I thought, "Yeah, stick the guy with the mile-long legs in the back seat. That makes sense."

It's their freaking car. I don't care that Ellen is older - so far she hasn't commanded the courtesy of the front seat.

It wasn't *his* fault that Jailbait Jo decided to act like the spoiled brat she is and follow them on the hunt. And she is supposedly over 18 (even if she acts and looks much younger); his not having told Mommy Dearest where her little precious was, with the little brat in his face at the time begging him not to, could be understood. They didn't invite her on the hunt. Dean did everything he could to keep the little monster out of trouble. They saved her, inspite of her own incompetence. She brought every bit of it on herself--and yet Dean took the blame.

And he shouldn't have. Jo's actions weren't his fault. Granted, it was really stupid that he caved so easily to her - very unDeanlike. If that's how he's going to be from now on, I'll be pissed.

Honestly, Dean being frantic to dig the brat out just reminded me of how he was with the kid in that first season show where people were drowning--she had gotten in trouble due to acting like a child, and he was reacting to a kid in trouble. There is certainly no romantic vibe between them.

I really hope that red herring storyline is dead. Or that they kill Jo just to make it official. ;)

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

Yeah, they wasted Jared's time, what little there was of it.

Ellen being given the front seat while Sam was stuck in the back with the brat irked me to no ends--it was like screaming "brother relationship takes a backseat to the new chicks who dominate the show." Then Dean bowing to her shutting off his music--that just wasn't Dean. It wasn't his fault that *either* of them were there. He didn't invite the brat, or her mother. Why the devil were they even driving them back home in the first place?

Yeah, I hope the red herring "love interest" is dead. Honestly, like you, I'd like to see Jo dead just to guarantee it would never resurface.

[superbadgirl]

Why the devil were they even driving them back home in the first place?

There wasn't room on Ellen's broom for both her and Jo? *bats eyelashes*

Yeah, I hope the red herring "love interest" is dead. Honestly, like you, I'd like to see Jo dead just to guarantee it would never resurface.

That actually has potential. Ellen loses her precious muffin and goes bonzo. She becomes an enemy that only the Big Bad Demon beats in dangerousness. And then the BBD possesses her and Sam and Dean kill her in their attempt to kill the BBD. Ding dong.

[nialla]

There wasn't room on Ellen's broom for both her and Jo? *bats eyelashes*

Bwah!

[staceey.livejournal.com]

There wasn't room on Ellen's broom for both her and Jo? *bats eyelashes*

^Lost most of my soda on that comment. LMAO

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

There wasn't room on Ellen's broom for both her and Jo? *bats eyelashes*

Oh, I love how you think. :)

I would love to see them carry through with making Ellen go nuts over Jo getting killed, then the demon takes her over, the boys kill her--and, as you said, ding dong, the witch is dead.

[superbadgirl]

I would love to see them carry through with making Ellen go nuts over Jo getting killed, then the demon takes her over, the boys kill her--and, as you said, ding dong, the witch is dead.

Seriously. I'm still having issues with this mother who wants, apparently, to protect her daughter from "the life," and yet has never simply removed herself and her precious daughter from the life. Sorry, sister, but you kind of lose your right to whinge about it when the most you do to protect your kid is make her your indentured servant.

Under the right circumstances, a few changes could have been decent for the show...but this crap just doesn't make any sense. And I certainly don't want to know MORE about these nonsensical storylines.

I want Sam and Dean, damnit, not Jo and Ellen. I don't care about Jo and Ellen and their dearly departed father/husband. If there's any dearly departed father I care about, it's John.

Blarg.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

Seriously. I'm still having issues with this mother who wants, apparently, to protect her daughter from "the life," and yet has never simply removed herself and her precious daughter from the life. Sorry, sister, but you kind of lose your right to whinge about it when the most you do to protect your kid is make her your indentured servant.

Absolutely. She placed the girl right in the exact place she'd need to be to most romanticize "the life" for her. After all, what *else* is this reasonably attractive girl, who is fascinated with hunting, going to hear about from all the hunters who come through and who are trying to make time with her--romanticized talk about "the life," which of course she would eat up. Ellen has allowed the girl to con and hustle her bar patrons, play poker with them, basically hang out with them as if she's "one of the guys"--she's gotten exactly the daughter she's raised.

You're right, under the right circumstances, a few changes would have been fine for the show, but, as it was, Supernatural worked perfectly fine as it was. It was as if they were trying to re-think the entire series. Now, with John gone, I resent like hell that they're trying to dump *more* issues on John, and on Dean and Sam, by making John supposedly responsible for Jo's father's death--I just hope that crap at the end of the last episode was their way of writing out the Roadhouse, Jo and Ellen, in one swoop, although I doubt we'll be that lucky.

[nialla]

It was as if they were trying to re-think the entire series.

WRITERS: Oh noes! We forgot to write in a love interest! There can be no UST or sexin' without a love interest. We can't have that! [writes furiosly]

WINCEST SLASHERS: We already had it covered, thanks bunches. [writes furiosly]

[superbadgirl]

Sorry, but you just said the thing that makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

[nialla]

Wincest? Not into it myself, but nobody's forcing me to read it, so... [shrug]

But I can definitely see the writers wanting (or maybe being told by the network) to inject some "much needed romance" into a show that had an all-male cast.

If the edict came down from the network, it was probably a combination of "we need a romance, so the girls will watch" with "she needs to be hot, so the boys will watch." Maybe a chaser of "make her a kick-ass chick" to shut up the feminists because she'd be a "strong" female character.

[superbadgirl]

Wincest is a squick on the level of mpreg and kidfic for me, so I tend to be a baby about it.

It's funny how TPTB never thought about how the two hot guys would be a draw for the girls and the horror-movie-of-the-week would be a draw for the guys. (With a little bit of bleed over for both groups.)

[nialla]

If done well (and recommended to me), I can read mpreg and kidfic. Though mpregs have to have some sci fi plausibility to them for me to even consider them -- you can't have an mpreg in, for example, House, NCIS or CSI.

I think TPTB don't really care all that much about girls of any age watching TV. It's the menfolk who make all the money decisions for the household.

[pause for hysterical laughter from women everywhere, while men chuckle and act like they got the joke]

I think they see female characters as being there as objects for men to lust over (or view as a mother figure), while male characters are there for them to project themselves into.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

This being only the second year of Supernatural, the entire notion of trying to rethink the entire series makes no sense at all. The female portion of the audience was quite happy with the two hot guys without any "love interest" nonsense. Leave that to the fanfic writers.

[superbadgirl]

You're right, under the right circumstances, a few changes would have been fine for the show, but, as it was, Supernatural worked perfectly fine as it was. It was as if they were trying to re-think the entire series. Now, with John gone, I resent like hell that they're trying to dump *more* issues on John, and on Dean and Sam, by making John supposedly responsible for Jo's father's death--I just hope that crap at the end of the last episode was their way of writing out the Roadhouse, Jo and Ellen, in one swoop, although I doubt we'll be that lucky.

*nods*

It just feels like change for change's sake - not because there was any actual need to "fix" something. It wasn't broken. And even if it did need tweaking, there's a great deal of difference between a 45 degree change and a 180.

[andromakhe001.livejournal.com]

Rant away. Have to agree. I hate this, I hate the way Dean is whenever she is around. I hate that it backgrounded Sam(WTF, Kripke has a strange interpretation of "won't come between the brothers") and I am an admitted Deangirl. It was awful.

What was up with Ellen? She suddenly took a total turn around. Why was she so kind and warm in the first place, not to mention that phonecall she placed to John? It was an AlMiles move(the creative team behind Smallville who are known for boneheaded out of the blue things like that). Considering what Jo's like it wouldn't surprise me at all if her hubby was the one who actually screwed up and John couldn't save him. You will never find me defending John but I have to defend him there. Dragging him down to somehow evince some sort of sympathy for these people?

[superbadgirl]

Rant away. Have to agree. I hate this, I hate the way Dean is whenever she is around. I hate that it backgrounded Sam(WTF, Kripke has a strange interpretation of "won't come between the brothers") and I am an admitted Deangirl. It was awful.

I love them both. I lean more toward being a Dean girl, but I like the brothers together. It's what the show is about, or at least it was last year. I don't want either of them sidelined on a regular basis, because that would fundamentally change the show.

What was up with Ellen? She suddenly took a total turn around. Why was she so kind and warm in the first place, not to mention that phonecall she placed to John?

Exactly, and it makes Sam spilling the truth about him to her all the more troublesome. She's got bad feelings, and now she's got ammunition. And a whole network of hunters.

You will never find me defending John but I have to defend him there. Dragging him down to somehow evince some sort of sympathy for these people?

I loved John, and it galls me that they'd try to tarnish him even further. I mean, we all knew the guy made some huge mistakes and wasn't perfect. But muckraking him after his death is low.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

This is probably hard to believe, but I'm not opposed to the idea of having recurring characters. If the right ones had been involved here, I might not have thought this episode was as dreadful as it was.

Ah, yes! That's really what my post should have been about the other day, because that's the point I was trying to get across. I don't ever want romance on the show, but I'm not totally against recurring characters. These ones were brought in for all the wrong reasons, IMHO. I think they brought in Jo to spice things up. They brought in Ash so that they can be lazy writers and won't have to explain how the guys get all their information any more. And they brought in Ellen to replace John, because they tried to get JDM full time for this season and he couldn't or wouldn't do it.

I went back on my word and have been getting my husband and son to watch SPN with me, and so far we've watched up to Skin in the last couple of weeks. In one episode, though I forget which one, it showed Sam on the phone arguing with someone about how Francis/Frances is a boy's name and holding up a police ID and reading a number off it. He then walks up to Dean and Sam says how next time Dean should get him an ID with a gender-specific name, and Dean just laughs. Then Sam relays a bit of info to Dean--stuff he found out by having the police run a plate or something through their system.

That whole scene was maybe a minute or two, but it said a lot. We got some insight into Sam, some insight into Dean, saw some brotherly interaction, saw how resourceful and persistent they can be, and saw how they get this information.

I so *hate* Ash for that reason. I should save this and post it in my LJ. *g*

it was more annoyance on Dean's part...and then his frantic search seemed more like he felt responsible for the green hunter who'd suckered him into letting her tag along. Ugh.

I agree. destina mentioned that it seemed OOC for Dean to lie to Ellen like that, and I agree with that.

At least JA and JP love their exhausting job. (<--lol, different rant. I'll shut up.)

I bet they get paid a lot more, too! *g* And I get it, too. Toolman and I sometimes had four or five different jobs between us--and he was in the military which required him to spend two nights a week at the base back then, standing duty (going out on cases) while also working full-time at the base on week days and pumping gas on weekends or painting houses or whatever. It wasn't easy, but we did it.

Please, boys, use that laptop I saw you puttering around on with the information Ash pulled together for you. You did it before. You can do it again. Did I say please? PLEASE. Stop using Ash as your go-to guy. Amazing how I could be annoyed by that guy when he didn't even make an actual appearance.

LOL I admit I'm glad that at least one other person feels this way. Everyone else seems to love Ash.

There were a couple of nice Dean moments. I would just prefer he have those moments with his brother and not Ms. Chippy.

Yep.

but she doesn't want her daughter in the life, why, why, why hasn't she ever, y'know, shut the fucking place down and got a different job? I mean, really. The. Roadhouse. Makes. No. Sense.

Bwah! You probably saw that I wrote almost the same thing. LOL

I agree with you about the rest, too. I really hated that. It seems like they're trying to make John even more of a "bad guy" so that it will make us have sympathy for Ellen and Jo. It's not working for me.

It wasn't all bad, though. I found an emory board and had ample time to make my nails look great during the parts I found uninteresting. Which was most of the hour.

hehe I wasn't totally bored, but then...I'm not usually riveted by the plots of any of the SPN episodes. This episode didn't give me much of what I watch the show for, and the little it gave was off or just wrong, for the most part.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

You are so right. They did bring these recurring characters in for the wrong reasons, and every one of them is a complete and total failure. Why they couldn't have allowed Bobby a recurring role, instead, or created anything other than this Roadhouse disaster, is completely beyond me.

[superbadgirl]

Ah, yes! That's really what my post should have been about the other day, because that's the point I was trying to get across. I don't ever want romance on the show, but I'm not totally against recurring characters. These ones were brought in for all the wrong reasons, IMHO.

Yes. It's that age-old "fiction has to make sense, where real life can be absolutely crazy" thing. Writers have to make sure the world they're creating is actually workable, and they have to have solid, explanable reasons for what they do and who they bring on.

Maybe SPN's PTB have solid, explanable reasons for all this tripe, but it's too late now. They've already established something I don't buy, and no amount of explaining is likely to make me change my mind.

That whole scene was maybe a minute or two, but it said a lot. We got some insight into Sam, some insight into Dean, saw some brotherly interaction, saw how resourceful and persistent they can be, and saw how they get this information.

Yes, I miss that so much. Such small things can sometimes make a great difference.

I agree. destina mentioned that it seemed OOC for Dean to lie to Ellen like that, and I agree with that.

Dean's OOC with Jo, that's for sure. And he's OOC with Ellen as well. Both are reason enough for me to dislike the characters...because I don't want to dislike Dean.

This smacks of Daniel with Vala.

I bet they get paid a lot more, too! *g* And I get it, too. Toolman and I sometimes had four or five different jobs between us--and he was in the military which required him to spend two nights a week at the base back then, standing duty (going out on cases) while also working full-time at the base on week days and pumping gas on weekends or painting houses or whatever. It wasn't easy, but we did it.

It's damned exhausting at times (like the weeks when it seems every stupid tenant locks themselves out at midnight or later), but you do it and you carry on. I'd be a lot more chipper about it if I actually enjoyed the work. ;)

LOL I admit I'm glad that at least one other person feels this way. Everyone else seems to love Ash.

Ash as a character is amusing...but I don't like his purpose at all.

Bwah! You probably saw that I wrote almost the same thing. LOL

It boggles the mind. The woman clearly wants to control her daughter and prevent her from living the hunter lifestyle. Her husband's been dead for 10 years, FCOL. She should have moved her daughter outside that influence right away if that was a concern. Duh.

I agree with you about the rest, too. I really hated that. It seems like they're trying to make John even more of a "bad guy" so that it will make us have sympathy for Ellen and Jo. It's not working for me.

Ugh.

hehe I wasn't totally bored, but then...I'm not usually riveted by the plots of any of the SPN episodes. This episode didn't give me much of what I watch the show for, and the little it gave was off or just wrong, for the most part.

Part of it might have been that Criminal Minds did a "lock the pretty girls in an underground box" episode on Wednesday night, and they did it SO much better.

[khek.livejournal.com]

The first ten minutes (well,after the overly-histronic mother/daughter yelling scene), I was sort of starting to like Jo...then the whole thing just fell apart when everything became All About Jo.

You're absolutely right about the Roadhouse--if Ellen didn't want her daughter in the biz, the simple thing would have been to sell the place and move. You can't tell me that she wouldn't make a better living (and spend just as much time with her daughter) managing an Olive Garden or something. I think the whole inconsistancy of Ellen-as-a-parent-substitute vs. Ellen-who-hates-John-and-distrusts-his-sons was the final nail in the coffin of the whole Roadhouse premise. To quote Yoda: Do or Do Not. Get off the fucking fence already!

And I missed Sam. :(

[superbadgirl]

Yes. Ellen can't be both - and now that she knows Sam's secret (witness if you will, both Winchester men acting out of character...), she's very dangerous to them. I was uneasy last week when he was spilling his guts, but now I'm very nervous. Methinks that we're supposed to infer the Mommy act was just that - an act.

[meg-tdj.livejournal.com]

I was half expecting Ellen to say that John Winchester was Jo's dad, too. Then her place in the show would start to make sense to me...

[superbadgirl]

Ugh and ew.

[meg-tdj.livejournal.com]

Well, I didn't say it would have been a GOOD plot twist... ;)

[superbadgirl]

LOL, I know. And I should thank you, actually, for making me realize that it could indeed have been worse.

Ugh.

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

It did seem as if they were leading up to that.

I'm *so* glad they didn't.

[meg-tdj.livejournal.com]

It wasn't just me then, heh! Thank goodness. I was so sure that was coming...

[iloveatlantis.livejournal.com]

Some little part of me is still afraid they'll trot that out as their last ditch effort to keep the two women on the show. They didn't actually *show* us what Ellen told her, after all, only Jo's reaction.

I just want them both off the show.

[jewel21.livejournal.com]

Well at least your nails turned out great, lol. I just ended up sitting through a boring episode with nothing to show for it at the end but a deep hatred for Jo. Anyway, a giant yes to everything you said in your post. I couldn't agree more :)

[superbadgirl]

The sad thing is, I don't know that's it's Jo I hate so much or the fact that Dean acts all OOC around her. I don't know that I'd hate her if he wasn't stupid around her.

But unfortunately, he is.

[jewel21.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I hate the whole love interest story line. I never wanted a love interest on this show because I knew it would take away from the things I do love. Like my Dean and Sammy time. Which last night did.

I think no matter what actress they got to play Jo, I would still be opposed. I watch this show for the boys. Now, if they want to get laid off screen, I'm fine with that. But giving them a love interest seems stupid. Especially this early in the series. What's going to happen? Dean and Sam are driving along and suddenly the phone rings and Dean's all "Hey baby, I miss you so much. Yeah, love you too." And cue me hurling, heh. Or Sam is constantly having to sit in the backseat so Jo can ride up in front next to Dean on all their hunts?

The refreshing aspect about this show was the fact that there was no love interest. It made it stand out from all the other stuff out there.

And I'm going to stop complaining now, heh.

[superbadgirl]

Oh, I totally agree. I felt like gnashing my teeth the very moment I heard about these changes, because I had this feeling it would change the dynamic which made me adore the show so much too drastically. I won't disagree that Supernatural's got a serious lack of female characters - but the ones they've created aren't ones I want to watch, and the show, IMO, wasn't structured to include these female characters in particular. Some shows just don't call for female representation. Kripke could have written it for a brother/sister combo or a sister/sister combo. But he didn't, and the brother/brother...it works magnificently.

If they keep going down the Jo/Ellen road, I fear I'll be miserable and depressed.

Shamelessly pimping this blog: I wrote a couple quick articles about the gender issues on Supernatural. Here's one of them - I'd welcome discussion over there, too. ;)

[jewel21.livejournal.com]

Cool, I shall check it out :D

And when I first read the spoilers, I thought they were fake. Because they sounded so lame and bad. And then Kripke confirmed them and I was left sitting there going 'WTF ever?!'

Female characters don't fit into this show. And I'm fine with that. If they want, they can introduce a previous character. I didn't mind Sarah, I'd like to see Missouri, or Kathleen.

They have a lot of past characters that were interesting in general. Why introduce these lame ass ones instead? That's Kripke's fault for killing of Pastor Jim and Caleb. There was lots of potential there.

Anyway, I'm off to look at that link you gave me.

[superbadgirl]

And when I first read the spoilers, I thought they were fake. Because they sounded so lame and bad. And then Kripke confirmed them and I was left sitting there going 'WTF ever?!'

I read them and decided I needed to steer clear of spoilers, lest my enjoyment of the show end before the 2nd season even began. Heh.

Female characters don't fit into this show. And I'm fine with that. If they want, they can introduce a previous character. I didn't mind Sarah, I'd like to see Missouri, or Kathleen.

They could. I wouldn't mind seeing a bona fide female hunter if she had characteristics that Sarah, Kathleen or that Hailey girl from Wendigo had. Tough, in control, smart - all things I think they're trying to portray with Jo. It's just not working, because all three of the women mentioned above had actual chemistry with Dean and/or Sam and she...as cute as she is...doesn't.

They have a lot of past characters that were interesting in general. Why introduce these lame ass ones instead? That's Kripke's fault for killing of Pastor Jim and Caleb. There was lots of potential there.

Huge potential. He set up the universe, then tore it right down before we could even get inside it. In place of a historic landmark, we've got a friggin' mini-mall. It's newer, it's shinier...and it's got no soul.

[jewel21.livejournal.com]

So much word.

I think Kripke needs to realize that most people don't care for these new characters and he should keep sticking with what worked, aka, the brothers on their own fighting demons. Hell, even having too much Daddy!Winchester tended to ruin the dynamic.

Kripke is taking something that was working fine and is trying to tweak it and all he's doing is messing it up in the process.

I could have understood if this was like 4 seasons down the line, and he felt he needed to change stuff up, open up their world a little bit, but it's only the second season and it's beginning to piss me off.

I love this show and I don't want it to go The OC route and watch it fall apart. This was always my biggest fear because I was a huge fan of The OC first season and was so disappointed with the second season, and well all the seasons after that. I just really don't want that happening to Supernatural.

And there's so much potential now that John is gone. I'd like to see the boys, broken, on their own, trying to come to terms with his death and keep up hunting and all the angst and drama that would come with that. Not the boys hanging out at a bar, while Ash researches and Jo and Dean fake banter with Sammy hiding out in the back somewhere.

And wow, I'm angry, lol.

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I think Kripke needs to realize that most people don't care for these new characters and he should keep sticking with what worked, aka, the brothers on their own fighting demons. Hell, even having too much Daddy!Winchester tended to ruin the dynamic.

I'm avoiding fandom, but have seen a number of people who love the changes. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose...but overall? I balk at change when it's not necessary, and especially when it's, well, bad. These changes were really, really unnecessary, especially considering it's only the sophomore year of the show.

I could have understood if this was like 4 seasons down the line, and he felt he needed to change stuff up, open up their world a little bit, but it's only the second season and it's beginning to piss me off.

Exactly right.

And wow, I'm angry, lol.

Right there with you.