Okay, I admit it

[superbadgirl]

I find it depressing when authors I like write SG-1 stories filled with Vala-love. I really do. Just as depressed as I got with the mass exodus of writers to frigging SGA from SG-1.

Yeah, I know, I'm totally inflexible on this issue. Shame on me. I just...she doesn't belong on the show (on a full time basis) and I don't like her in fanfiction (on a full time basis) and it bothers me that SG-1 is forever changed (to me) because of her. My brain already wouldn't go past mid season five, but it still feels like there's this pall hanging over the earlier seasons because I know what happens after them, even if I refuse to think about it openly.

I'm PMSing and just frustrated as hell at the moment. Will try to watch season two tomorrow and hope it pulls me out of the funk.

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[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

:(

As a canon writer, I know for me, it's tough. If I want to write anything set in Season 10, she's going to be there. I can't speak for other people, but I try to stick to the show without gushing into overwhleming love for any character. It annoys me no matter who. And it's annoying for me because while I no longer hate the character, I still don't feel she belongs on the show. I think the only reason why I don't hate her anymore is that they don't make Daniel into this man I want to throttle everytime they are in the same scene together. But even though I'm enjoying Daniel this year (I was on and off about him last year and the year before), I'm getting fed up that the writers can't seem to keep them apart. You want Daniel and Vala scenes, fine. But not all the time. It's like Sam and Jack all over again. I don't mind scenes with Sam and Jack, but I swear most of Season 7 was just the two of them together. I can't stand when writers do that.

I'm more annoyed though with people posting about Vala love. I know that is so evil of me. I'm all about people having their own opinions. We like what we like and that's it. And I'm trying very hard to keep that mentality when I see people disagree with me. We all have our own opinions. But I want to flip out and scream when people are gushing over Vala and CB. I think CB is fine a ctress, but how the heck did we go from fans liking the team and everyone else to just Vala exclusively? It hurts me and it shouldn't.

And boo to the exodus too.

*sigh* I'm whining.

[superbadgirl]

See, I consider myself a canon writer, too...only I just can't write anything in the present, because I just can't bring myself to even attempt Mitchell, Landry, or, heaven forbid, Vala. Uh uh. Not going to happen. And I know it sounds like I have this overwhelming hatred for her, and that's not totally true. I hate that she doesn't belong there and no one seems to care about that and are willing to just happily skip along even though it make no sense for her to be there. (Me, repetitive?)

But even though I'm enjoying Daniel this year (I was on and off about him last year and the year before), I'm getting fed up that the writers can't seem to keep them apart. You want Daniel and Vala scenes, fine. But not all the time. It's like Sam and Jack all over again. I don't mind scenes with Sam and Jack, but I swear most of Season 7 was just the two of them together. I can't stand when writers do that.

I'm probably invalidating my own opinion, because I can't seem to watch most of the episodes in their entirety, but I still don't like Daniel with her. Don't get me started on his "she's a mother" nonsense from last night's episode. I'm biased against Vala, of course, but I can't not see their treatment of her as the same thing they did with Jonas - having the other characters repeat ad nauseam about how important and cool she is. Including Daniel, which really disappoints me more than anything. I can accept changes to his character, but for some reason this just really turns my stomach.

But I want to flip out and scream when people are gushing over Vala and CB. I think CB is fine a ctress, but how the heck did we go from fans liking the team and everyone else to just Vala exclusively? It hurts me and it shouldn't.

Makes perfect sense to me. I can own up to the fact that the more people dote on Vala, the less I like her. It gives me the impression folks believe she's the best thing to ever happen to Stargate...and I couldn't disagree with that more.

*sigh* I'm just being a baby.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I'm actually going to go and invalidate myself as a canon writer now ;)

Earlier this year I wrote a long long fic that took place in Season 9. I think it was my way of trying to keep on enjoying the show with a direction and characters I wasn't really sold on.

See, I do like Mitchell. I like his character. But he's inconsistent and it ticks me off. I never liked Vala so that's a different story.

Anyway, by writing a fic in Season 9 I felt like I could take control of the things I couldn't control. If I didn't like the direction things were heading, I could mess with it and make it "better." Maybe you can say that is the antithesis of canon. But I stuck to the canon of the show as much as I possibily could while trying to fix what I saw were inconsistencies and poor writing/plotting. I don't always succeed but it's all abut what I feel like afterward.

(And if I write Vala in Season 10, I can control how big of a role she has. Etc. Yes, it sounds silly, but I'm not 100% normal anyway. Heh.)

So I guess for me writing is theraputic in terms of my show obsession.

But I'm writing my own original stuff now, so the point is mostly moot, unless I write fanfic as a break.

[betacandy.livejournal.com]

I feel the same way. People have recced S9 stories to me which I'm sure are very good, but I totally can't get into them because they feature characters I just don't give a crap about. It's no one's fault, it's just annoying.

[joag.livejournal.com]

There is so little fanfic that I want to read these days that if I find a half-decent one with Daniel and Vala in it, I'll take it.

Because let's face it, nobody seems to want to write Jack and Daniel anymore, or team.

Heck, is anyone even writing anymore? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one. Which is probably why I have two finished fics on my hard drive and no desire to tweak.

[superbadgirl]

There is so little fanfic that I want to read these days that if I find a half-decent one with Daniel and Vala in it, I'll take it.

I wish I could. I just can't enjoy Vala in any incarnation. I can't forget that she shouldn't even be there, or let go and just accept that she is. Not interested in reading about her. It's a fault of mine.

Because let's face it, nobody seems to want to write Jack and Daniel anymore, or team.

Honestly? It's never been that I

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<i>There is so little fanfic that I want to read these days that if I find a half-decent one with Daniel and Vala in it, I'll take it.</i>

I wish I could. I just can't enjoy Vala in any incarnation. I can't forget that she shouldn't even be there, or let go and just accept that she is. Not interested in reading about her. It's a fault of mine.

<i>Because let's face it, nobody seems to want to write Jack and Daniel anymore, or team.</i>

Honestly? It's never been that I <don't> want to write J/D or team. I love both, still, it's just freaking hard to overcome my depression that everyone else isn't. Because if they've moved on from writing it, dollars to doughnuts people have moved on from reading it and that thought just makes me miserable.

[superbadgirl]

Stupid HTML. Bah.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I am still stunned. I mean, I just assumed it was always the case that no one loved to write team. Team is what I desire the most and I can't freaking find anyway.

[superbadgirl]

There's nothing I like better than writing a teamfic, with Jack, Daniel, Sam and Teal'c. I wish I could get over my stumbling block with it, which is the knowledge of what's happened on the show. I admire people who can, including you.

[joag.livejournal.com]

Oddly, I'll take Vala over Mitchell. I like the idea of Mitchell, I just don't like what the actor is doing with the character.

On the other hand, I'd easily give both of them up and take Jack back.

[superbadgirl]

Yeah, Mitchell as a character doesn't really ping my radar, either. I don't find him terrible, I just find I don't have much interest in getting to know him both onscreen and through fanfic writers' interpretations.

But the flyboy is still better than Vala, in my book.

If I do read fanfic these days, it's original team or J/D slash (not set in a time after Jack's assignment in D.C.).

I'm just depressed that I can't really do automatic reads by authors I used to be able to do that with.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

No one wants to write Jack/Daniel as in slash or Jack/Daniel as in friendship?

I have to admit that I haven't been reading as much because I fear crappy fic. I'm very much a fic snob. But I see Jack/Daniel all over the place. What I can't find is original team. That is my true love. And I can't find it! I still write it, but my fics end up so long that it takes me months and years to finish one. it's just annoying I can't find any to read in the meantime.

[joag.livejournal.com]

Slash. Friendship. Either. Both. A lot of what I'm seeing posted is just not what I prefer to read.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

There's still Jack/Daniel being written. *g* I have a few writers on my flist who are writing quite a bit of it.

I dislike Vala enough that I don't want her to be present in a story. *g* To be honest, if I'm reading a Jack/Daniel story, I prefer that no other characters are present in the story. I only want to read about Jack/Daniel, not a team adventure in which J/D happen to be together. I'm not saying that's what everyone should write but just that...I'd have no problem writing a J/D fic set any time in season 9 or 10 (uh, if I could actually write *g*) and just leaving Vala and everyone else out of it. *g* Jack/Daniel alone at the cabin works for me. I could read 100 or 1000 of those stories. *g*

When it comes to Daniel, I'd rather no Daniel than a Daniel with Vala.

[superbadgirl]

When it comes to Daniel, I'd rather no Daniel than a Daniel with Vala.

Oh, me too. I never thought the words "no Daniel" would cross my lips.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

I thought that, too.

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

I find it depressing when authors I like write SG-1 stories filled with Vala-love. I really do.

I have to admit that I felt that way, too. I was actually open to reading fic in which Vala was present at the beginning of season 9, but the little that I read was...just not what I was looking for. I wasn't even looking to see Vala vilified or anything, but I expected her to be portrayed...well, I was going to say "realistically," but obviously that's a matter of perception. *g* I didn't want a hint of shippiness or Daniel confessing to how he'd treated her badly (because he so didn't! *g*) or...well, I don't know. I just didn't like what I saw, and I have to admit that I stopped reading most fic, including by my favorite authors.

I was actually blindsided by Vala's presence and/or mention in ways that totally threw me in Jack/Daniel stories, some by my favorite authors. I got so I actually wouldn't read new Jack/Daniel stories any more, and I'm still not reading much SG-1 fic at all.

I want everyone to feel free to write whatever they want, but, yeah, I was hoping there'd be at least a few writers out there who felt as I do and would write something I'd be interested in reading. *g*

It's not just Vala either. I was actually even open to reading Mitchell/Daniel--both slash or especially friendship. I have never seen Mitchell as a replacement for Jack, so I liked (both on the show and in fic) the chance to see Daniel react with someone else. I saw it as a chance to explore Daniel in a new way. (If it was slash, I read it as an AU.) But then...I don't know. I usually don't like the way that Mitchell is portrayed either. (To be fair, I read a few that I thought were really interesting for Daniel and I liked the Mitchell some of them. Since he was all over the place last season, it's hard to fault an author for taking one of he many personalities and running with it. *g*)

But then again, I still feel this way, when authors that I followed as they wrote season 1 & 2 & 3 fic, get to season 4 and the fic just...changes. Just like the show. And I find myself not wanting to read it. I disagree with nearly everyone on Absolute Power and what that meant for Daniel and to Daniel, and I find that I often dislike the way Daniel is portrayed in fic anywhere beyond season 3. But then again, often in fic that takes place in seasons 1 - 3, even if it's gen fic, Daniel is portrayed as a child or as weak and wimpy, which he wasn't--not even back then. He was more emotional, but there's a difference between Daniel getting emotional or even crying over a very real hurt (like in Need) and Daniel spending all his time crying or feeling sad because he thinks everyone doesn't like him or something like that. *g*

So...I just can't win! *g* And I can't do any better. I tried. I suck at writing so far. I'm still working on it. I'm not being overly self-critical either. I know what I'm trying to say and portray and I can't do it.

Um...what were we talking about again? *g* Right. I get depressed when it comes to fic. *g* I really feel your pain about this issue. When I first read a few fics with Vala in them, especially when I really was not expecting it to come up in a lovely Jack/Daniel fic, I was just blindsided.

But then again, I was blindsided yesterday by this fic (and wrote an unposted rant about it). Basically it was supposedly a gen fic with hints of Daniel/Cameron. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think gen fic should have hints of any pairing, but I read it anyway, because the premise sounded interesting, I was in a horrible mood and looking for distraction, and I was bored. *g* But...then, in the fic, Jack and Sam were...er...married. I just wanted to wash my eyes out with bleach. I would never have given the fic a second glance if I'd known that. It's not that I don't think the author can write whatever he/she wants and I also think that if an author doesn't want to label or categorize a fic, that's up to them (and I won't read it), but if a fic is labeled and categorized, I expect it to be as labeled.