Personally?

[superbadgirl]

I think that in a discussion about Vala on Stargate when someone brings up the previous misdeeds of any member of SG-1 in comparison to her actions, the debate is then forfeit just like that one rule about invoking Nazism.

Because it's just insane.

Comments

[aizjanika.livejournal.com]

As for the Vala insult, it felt phenomenally out of character to me.

It didn't to me, maybe because I didn't even think it was an insult. Vala was being more than annoying and inappropriate and Daniel's not a saint. He was pushed beyond the limits of any normal human. *g* Someone needed to say something to her, and that landed on Daniel. I can't believe he was as kind to her as he was, to be honest. In a way, *that* irritates me and concerns me quite a bit, whereas him telling her to shut up concerns me not at all. It's what bothers me about her being on the show full time, too. I don't see how Daniel, the Daniel that I know and love, could ever accept her on the team--or even working with her or trusting her even in small things. After all that she has done to him, it does seem a bit like a victim defending and/or caring for the abuser and I dislike that idea for Daniel's character because I think he's been shown, up to this point, not to be the kind of person who would fall for that or allow himself to be treated that way. I don't care what Vala does from this point forward or what she's been through, somehow this has to be dealt with (for me to be comfortable with it *g*) and I don't think it's going to be.

I tend to be a writer-basher so I wrote it off to, "Hey, we need the main characters to ignore Vala and finally piss her off so much that she'll take off on her own and save the day while gracefully exiting for most of the rest of the season."

I hated that whole premise of Vala running off and "saving the day." Yes, I blame the writers for that because they gave her a Descent moment, just as they did with Mitchell in Stronghold. OTOH, that reflects on Vala's character just as Stronghold does on Mitchell (and on Sam and Daniel in that one), and Descent for Jonas. And, if I'm honest, Out of Mind/Into the Fire for Sam (although there were many more such moments for Sam that were a lot more irritating than that one).

I didn't like the Vala insult. Not because I thought she didn't have it coming or because I thought Daniel hadn't been provoked and beyond extra-patient but because the Daniel of Yore didn't lower himself to his opponents' level.

I think he did sometimes--with Apophis, anyway, IMHO. :-) But again, I don't think Daniel insulted Vala at all--not in the same way that Jack did with Daniel in The Other Side.

I don't hate the current, sexy Daniel but I don't love him like I do the bookish explorer who could lose himself in the lust for knowledge whom I first met.

I still see his as the bookish explorer somewhat--just a little more jaded. I dislike it, though, when they write him as though the were Airman #1 or something like that--where it could be just any character there.

I do know what you're getting at, though. I know some people who first saw and fell in love with ascended Daniel and/or season 7 Daniel and they don't really get the love of EarlySeason Daniel--or even see the show in the same way that I do. But then again, there are others who've been watching the show for years or who watched it all in one fell swoop like I did, and they don't see it as I do either. *g* Sometimes I feel all alone out here. hehe

My priorities today might be different than they were 10 or 20 years ago, but at heart I'm still stubborn and unwavering in acting on them.

Maybe that's a difference, too. While there are some few core things about me that are the same, quite a lot of even the core of me has changed since then--and I haven't been through anything like what Daniel has. Heck, sometimes I can't even recognize me from just a few months ago. *g*