Ah, we differ here. I didn't see that as Sam rabing a dead possessed girl's body, but as a demon in a dead possessed girl's body raping Sam.
No, I actually agree with that too. It's icky from both directions, but I was focusing on the "Sam's raping a possessed girl's body" aspect because that was what had fans originally so concerned. TPTB dealt with it after a fashion, but it wasn't much of an improvement.
Rape really isn't the right word, but I can't think of one either. Ruby jumping Sam when she knew he was at a vulnerable moment makes it seem even more likely she's been doing all this to manipulate Sam. Unless TPTB are going to make this all into a red herring and she's either totally been telling the truth or else she'd been manipulating at first and then fell in luuuuuuurve.
Never mind the ooky context for a second, I want to know why the hell the boys are suddenly fucking onscreen. Do not want.
Because TPTB figure it will boost ratings is my guess.
It's lazy storytelling if they're just adding sex scenes in as padding and not making it part of the actual plot. Which is why I keep wondering whether or not they were so determined to get Sam/Ruby onscreen because it will eventually make a difference in the plot.
As for hearing angels only after Castiel began trying to talk to Dean, it's possible there weren't any angels chatting it up until then. (Which seems very weak and a continuity issue - if this war's been going on, the angels would have been talking, right?)
The war has been going on for a while, or at least one would think, but perhaps things are now coming to a head and the urgency of it made it easier for Anna to hear them? Or maybe she just tuned in to the right "frequency" once a stong enough signal made her aware of it?
Older than Samhain? Then why haven't we heard of him. I still want to know how all these demons have been getting out. Alastair was obviously downstairs to interact with Dean, but now he's upstairs. How?
We haven't really heard much about the history of individual demons, and we'd never heard about angels as a real entity until this season, so I can go along with not having heard about Alastair before.
IIRC from what Ruby has said (which one can take with a grain of salt), some were previously human but after a time they forget their humanity.
The implication was others were not human and if they're going the whole Judeo-Christian route, then the head demon is a fallen angel. So perhaps the "inner circle" are fallen angels too.
It's not like the angels and demons operate very differently, as both have to hitch a ride in a human body to walk around on earth. The only difference is their motivations, which we don't really know in full, and it's not so clear that the "side of good" really has humanity's best interests in mind either.
It's never been clear to me how the demons get out of Hell, other than being released by accident or design topside. Ruby said this time she convinced Lilith to let her go for one last chance, so that would imply Lilith and other stronger demons can somehow send their people back and forth.
The only problem with that is I just can't picture Lilith being stupid enough to believe Ruby is being truthful, if she really is. Makes me think (even more than I already did) that someone from down below is still in charge of Ruby and she's made up an elaborate story to worm her way into Sam's life to bring about his downfall.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
carisma_sensei
no subject
Date: 2008-11-16 04:40 am (UTC)No, I actually agree with that too. It's icky from both directions, but I was focusing on the "Sam's raping a possessed girl's body" aspect because that was what had fans originally so concerned. TPTB dealt with it after a fashion, but it wasn't much of an improvement.
Rape really isn't the right word, but I can't think of one either. Ruby jumping Sam when she knew he was at a vulnerable moment makes it seem even more likely she's been doing all this to manipulate Sam. Unless TPTB are going to make this all into a red herring and she's either totally been telling the truth or else she'd been manipulating at first and then fell in luuuuuuurve.
Never mind the ooky context for a second, I want to know why the hell the boys are suddenly fucking onscreen. Do not want.
Because TPTB figure it will boost ratings is my guess.
It's lazy storytelling if they're just adding sex scenes in as padding and not making it part of the actual plot. Which is why I keep wondering whether or not they were so determined to get Sam/Ruby onscreen because it will eventually make a difference in the plot.
As for hearing angels only after Castiel began trying to talk to Dean, it's possible there weren't any angels chatting it up until then. (Which seems very weak and a continuity issue - if this war's been going on, the angels would have been talking, right?)
The war has been going on for a while, or at least one would think, but perhaps things are now coming to a head and the urgency of it made it easier for Anna to hear them? Or maybe she just tuned in to the right "frequency" once a stong enough signal made her aware of it?
Older than Samhain? Then why haven't we heard of him. I still want to know how all these demons have been getting out. Alastair was obviously downstairs to interact with Dean, but now he's upstairs. How?
We haven't really heard much about the history of individual demons, and we'd never heard about angels as a real entity until this season, so I can go along with not having heard about Alastair before.
IIRC from what Ruby has said (which one can take with a grain of salt), some were previously human but after a time they forget their humanity.
The implication was others were not human and if they're going the whole Judeo-Christian route, then the head demon is a fallen angel. So perhaps the "inner circle" are fallen angels too.
It's not like the angels and demons operate very differently, as both have to hitch a ride in a human body to walk around on earth. The only difference is their motivations, which we don't really know in full, and it's not so clear that the "side of good" really has humanity's best interests in mind either.
It's never been clear to me how the demons get out of Hell, other than being released by accident or design topside. Ruby said this time she convinced Lilith to let her go for one last chance, so that would imply Lilith and other stronger demons can somehow send their people back and forth.
The only problem with that is I just can't picture Lilith being stupid enough to believe Ruby is being truthful, if she really is. Makes me think (even more than I already did) that someone from down below is still in charge of Ruby and she's made up an elaborate story to worm her way into Sam's life to bring about his downfall.