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SPN: Heaven and Hell

But only because I took my glasses off the second they started playing the bad porno music and my vision is -11 in both eyes. Who needs a pillow to hide one's face in when there's being practically blind? Really, though, I saw no chemistry between Dean and Anna, and even if I did? Do not want.

Anyway.

This is the first episode this year which didn't feel like SPN to me. It was ... flat. Rather uninteresting through most of it.

This hiatus is awfully long, isn't it? Seems like it. Maybe because we got a Christmas episode last year.

Anyway, again.

Yeah, so the beginning of the ep was all right. It got rather yucky in spots during the middle (Seriously got a Winchester-romance-little-womenz-sweet-couply vibe for a while. Do not want. Does not fit.), and by yucky I mean boring.

WTF is going to Bobby's but not actually featuring Bobby all about? Give me Bobby over Ruby and Anna any day of the week. For really reals.

Pamela grabbing Sam's butt? Okay, a bit ridiculous, but it made me smile. I still like her, though she laughs too much.

Oh, Dean, choosing Sam over all else. *squishes him*

For the briefest of seconds, I was worried for Castiel. Now, I could take that guy or leave him, but I don't want him beaten by some demon, yo. Plus, I like that Uriel disdainfully admitted to Dean that Castiel likes him (as in platonically).

Oh, Dean. The last five minutes, you pwned my soul like you did countless others in Hell. And, boy? You can't be blamed for that, no matter what jackass angels and your twisted conscience say. Hell, Dean. You were in Hell. Normal rules do not apply, and 30 years of torture is a really long time. (Oh, my, I'm typing directly to a fictional character here. I'm a pint of blood low, give me a break. I'm lucky to be conscious right now.) I still can't reconcile why it took the angels that long to yank him out, given what Sam was up to and given what we now know Dean was up to. All preventable. Yeah, yeah, if they'd done that, no drama for this year. But it doesn't make sense!

Sam's reaction to Dean's words? Also broke my heart. I half expected him to tell Dean that, no, Dean didn't want to not feel, from firsthand experience. It's good he didn't, but I still could see that.

Short story even shorter: this one won't go on my favorites list, but the last five minutes broke me.

Total aside, I missed the bus to make it to the blood bank in time for my appointment after work and had to walk the whole way. It's only a couple miles, but I didn't have my sneakers with me today. The boots I was wearing were not made for walking, that's for dang sure. I have blisters in places I never thought could blister. I hope they subside a bit overnight.

I'm a hurtin' unit.

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I hear you on the gratuitous and no chemistry. It looked like a total comfort thing, nothing else, which, whatever, okay. Didn't do anything for me, but they usually don't. I liked when she put her hand on his shoulder. Could have done that without the sex, though.

And yeah, those last five minutes. ::weeps::

I liked when she put her hand on his shoulder. Could have done that without the sex, though.

Was that before, after or during sex? Because I really did take off my glasses and I really am blind as a bat, so I didn't have to see any of it. To be safe, I took the glasses off before it actually started. LOL, yes, I am ten years old.

I can say with absolute certainty that it went on far too long.

During. :D There really wasn't anything to see, just some kissing and groping. It was all very gentle and smooth, as if they were being careful with each other. Weird. And yes, too long.

I'm going to pretend it was a bloodloss-induced hallucination on my part and focus on the last five minutes of the show.

Uh huh. That's right.

UNNGH. The last five minutes gutted me.

So far there has been only one sex scene that I have liked on this show and it was Sam and Madison - don't know why, I just liked that pairing. All the others have been totally useless and unecessary, and you are right, there was ABSOLUTELY NO CHEMISTRY between Dean and Anna. At all. And what was the point to her character anyway?? Unless she comes back later and does something significant and her being an angel is a requirement for that significant act.....gah. So disappointed with this ep (and you know me - it takes a lot for me to not like an SPN ep).

And now we get nothing until Jan. *Sigh*

I do like Cass though. He can stay.

I think you've got Anna's point figured out. I think she's going to be a literal deus ex machina later on, saving the day because she's in lurve with Dean.

I agree.

Heh, I didn't like the actual sex scene between Sam and Madison, but the very last shot of them sleeping was absolutely beautiful.

And what was the point to her character anyway?? Unless she comes back later and does something significant and her being an angel is a requirement for that significant act.....gah. So disappointed with this ep (and you know me - it takes a lot for me to not like an SPN ep).

I'm sure she'll be back. She's (apparently) in love with Dean, so I imagine she'll have to come racing back to save him at some point.

I really wish they hadn't gone the explicit Sam's-sleeping-with-the-demons/Dean's-in-bed-with-angels route. So unnecessary and, if anything, it lessens the impact of the good/evil dichotomy they're trying for.

"I really wish they hadn't gone the explicit Sam's-sleeping-with-the-demons/Dean's-in-bed-with-angels route. So unnecessary and, if anything, it lessens the impact of the good/evil dichotomy they're trying for." (how do you get italics??)

You know, I didn't even think of that. I figured they were just trying to give the boys even time doing the nasty, I guess they think that's what us fangirls want to see? The demon/angel bit didn't even cross my mind (I had already clued in to the good/evil thing, they've made that pretty clear from the get-go)...

You know, I didn't even think of that. I figured they were just trying to give the boys even time doing the nasty, I guess they think that's what us fangirls want to see? The demon/angel bit didn't even cross my mind (I had already clued in to the good/evil thing, they've made that pretty clear from the get-go)...

Maybe part of it was for the fangirls. Though, really, I'm a fangirl and I could live without sex on this show. Put Sam in a towel occasionally. Have Dean take off his shirt as he heads for the shower once in a while. That's all I need. ;)

But I think most of it was pounding the hammer of Sam's bad/Dean's good into us in a way they probably think is subtle.

Italics - < i > to start, < /i > to close, no spaces.

Maybe part of it was for the fangirls. Though, really, I'm a fangirl and I could live without sex on this show. Put Sam in a towel occasionally. Have Dean take off his shirt as he heads for the shower once in a while. That's all I need. ;)

I totally agree. In fact my friend and I pretty much said that exact same thing earlier...shower scenes good, sex scenes bad. :)

I totally agree. In fact my friend and I pretty much said that exact same thing earlier...shower scenes good, sex scenes bad. :)

Shoot, if they want to accentuate the hotness of the guys, they just need to toss in a water entity MoTW episode every once in a while. Both boys go in the drink, and come out with clinging T-shirts they have to remove. Tousled hair. Droplets of water on eyelashes.

Win/win.

Really, though, I saw no chemistry between Dean and Anna, and even if I did? Do not want.

Can I be the crass one and say Dean's really been touched by an angel now? And it seems ironic they were mentioning confusing reality and porn in this episode... cause I think they kinda did.

If they don't put away the "Sam's associated with Hell and demons, and Dean's associated with Heaven and angels" hammer, I will have to hurt someone. If they bring Anna back as a literal deus ex machina later, I will hurt someone a lot.

WTF is going to Bobby's but not actually featuring Bobby all about? Give me Bobby over Ruby and Anna any day of the week. For really reals.

I'm hoping it was just a case of needing to use the demon-proof room as part of the plot (though really, they didn't, did they?) and the actor wasn't available. If not, TPTB need to be bitchslapped.

Pamela grabbing Sam's butt? Okay, a bit ridiculous, but it made me smile. I still like her, though she laughs too much.

I'm relatively unspoiled, so I didn't know she was coming back. I think I didn't mind her being cheeky with Sam ::ahem:: because it's all in play without the usual "You must ship them, or else!" we usually get from TPTB when a female is interacting with the boys.

I would like to see more about her, especially since we'll be dealing with the angel storyline for a while. We shouldn't forget that seeking out Castiel's name is what blinded her, and if memory serves it's implied that he did it, so... not a warm fluffy bunny there, even if he seems to be questioning his orders.

For the briefest of seconds, I was worried for Castiel. Now, I could take that guy or leave him, but I don't want him beaten by some demon, yo.

Castiel is interesting, but I think it's more about how the actor is playing him than the character himself. He's one of those who conveys a lot of emotion with his eyes, though we don't really know what's going on in his head.

Plus, I like that Uriel disdainfully admitted to Dean that Castiel likes him (as in platonically).

Castiel's weakness seems to be that he cares for humanity in general, seeing them as another of God's creations, just like him. Apparently many of the other angels don't share that POV. Is his caring for humanity going to be a good thing or his downfall (literally)?

They made a point of him saying he and Anna "had history" and I figure they meant them specifically, not just being angels. Perhaps he and Anna were both among those questioning orders, but she was brave enough to escape.

Castiel not being able to -- What was that? Angelic casting out of the demon? -- with Alastair brings up even more questions of exactly who/what is Alastair. Castiel is supposed to be a badass angel, and you could tell he was shocked that it didn't work.

And is it just me, or is the actor playing Alastair doing it rilly rilly gay? I haven't seen Rolston in anything recently that I can recall, but I know his voice wasn't always that way. It sounds like an affectation to me and I'm not sure if it's intentional, and if so, why. Maybe he's going for threatening and just can't quite get there voice-wise.

And it seems ironic they were mentioning confusing reality and porn in this episode... cause I think they kinda did.

Right down to the music.

If they don't put away the "Sam's associated with Hell and demons, and Dean's associated with Heaven and angels" hammer, I will have to hurt someone. If they bring Anna back as a literal deus ex machina later, I will hurt someone a lot.

Brace yourself. I think it's coming. Much as I love this show, they really could work on their subtlety.

I would like to see more about her, especially since we'll be dealing with the angel storyline for a while. We shouldn't forget that seeking out Castiel's name is what blinded her, and if memory serves it's implied that he did it, so... not a warm fluffy bunny there, even if he seems to be questioning his orders.

Yeah, she literally asked for it, but you'd think a divine being would be able to choose not to reveal himself. A psychic's invocations made him do it? Weak.

They made a point of him saying he and Anna "had history" and I figure they meant them specifically, not just being angels. Perhaps he and Anna were both among those questioning orders, but she was brave enough to escape.

She was his boss, right? Yay, more squick if the implication is they were together, together. ;) I'd be willing to bet he started questioning because of her, but it was only when he got orders to pull Dean out that he started to really do so. 23 years without her influence probably kept him from falling himself, and now he could be on the way down.

And is it just me, or is the actor playing Alastair doing it rilly rilly gay?

It was rilly rilly something, all right.

Right down to the music.

It went on so long, I started doing something on my computer, but listening to the music, I was surprised they didn't go full-on bow chicka wow wow.

Brace yourself. I think it's coming. Much as I love this show, they really could work on their subtlety.

They've never been terribly subtle, but the hammer is getting more use. I'd say the baton has been passed from The Boyz at Bridge, but they're still working (why?).

They've got such potential with this storyline, but it feels like they're going to blow it all on a "Twu Luv Wins All" resolution. Blech.

Yeah, she literally asked for it, but you'd think a divine being would be able to choose not to reveal himself. A psychic's invocations made him do it? Weak.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense with the Castiel we're seeing now. The only thing that's truly stopped him was Alastair. He knocked Sam out by touching him on the forehead. Was it really necessarily to blind Pamela?

23 years without her influence probably kept him from falling himself, and now he could be on the way down.

Maybe they'll give it a slight spin with Castiel was the one to questioning a lot and on his way to falling and influenced Anna to her own fall? They could play on his guilt over that and use it as why he apparently hasn't questioned much in a long time.

Won't even touch the co-workers being together thing. I don't care if they're angels. Ick.

It was rilly rilly something, all right.

It was almost painful to listen to for me. It's just too campy. Castiel actually has more "menace" for me just by speaking softly and having an attitude of "it must be done" even if he's questioning the reasons why.

I, too, was surprised they didn't whip out the bow chicka wow wow. Ugh.

They've got such potential with this storyline, but it feels like they're going to blow it all on a "Twu Luv Wins All" resolution. Blech.

I've been worried since day one. It's got potential to be really good, or really, diastrously bad. And right now? My confidence is not instilled.

Yeah, that doesn't make sense with the Castiel we're seeing now. The only thing that's truly stopped him was Alastair. He knocked Sam out by touching him on the forehead. Was it really necessarily to blind Pamela?

You know, for a second there, I thought they were going to have Sam try to do his thing on an angel. Even if it didn't work, that would have been killer to see. (Of course, it would probably also result in Sam's death, but it would have been interesting. All Sam got to do was stand around and/or be the miracle brain in this episode.)

It's just too campy. Castiel actually has more "menace" for me just by speaking softly and having an attitude of "it must be done" even if he's questioning the reasons why.

After years of SG-1, surely you know by now that bad guy = camp central. It wouldn't do to have bad guys show creepy menace. They have to be OTT. Isn't that in the manual?

At least they haven't really given our bad guys goatees.

30 yrs of torture? Time passes faster in hell or something like that?

Heh. I may not watch the show, but I do like reading all the fan reactions to it. Yours especially.

Pretty standard notion of hell in tv shows, they did the same on Buffy... :)

Yeah, Hell time is apparently way different than real time. Or it feels that way, or something. Makes sense, sorta.

I may not watch the show, but I do like reading all the fan reactions to it. Yours especially.

Heh. I'm sure there were quite a few mixed-bag reviews for this one.

What you said.

It's interesting (in a horror-stricken kind of way) that both Ruby and Anna were the ones who instigated sex with the Winchester boys. In Ruby's case, she forced the issue, in Anna's, it was gentler, but she still was the one who started it. Does that mean our boys are gentlemen, or just clueless about being used?

My biggest fear is that Anna will come back pregnant with Dean's baby. The only thing worse would be if Ruby was pregnant too. I was also feeling the "cute-couples vibe", and it made me want to hurl.

I'm so not happy with this episode, with the exception of the last five minutes. That's what we need more of...Sam and Dean talking. Angels and Demons? Angelic and Demonic love interests? Grace and torture and imitation Godfathers? Pah. Useless. Just put Sam and Dean in a room for an episode with no one else around, and we'd probably have the Best Episode Ever.

My biggest fear is that Anna will come back pregnant with Dean's baby. The only thing worse would be if Ruby was pregnant too. I was also feeling the "cute-couples vibe", and it made me want to hurl.

Oh, jeez. Don't say those kinds of things out loud!

Just put Sam and Dean in a room for an episode with no one else around, and we'd probably have the Best Episode Ever.

LOL. Well, maybe not, but it'd be fair sight better than this ep as a whole. ;)

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